armstrong versus cancer, we had lance armstrong versus everyone in the tour de france, but lance armstrong versus the truth, that is -- that's one that he really couldn't win in the end, and we lost a lot of faith over the years. this is 15 years old for all of us that have known the truth all along. and we really began to wonder if this day would ever come. >> well, i wondered when you talk about lance armstrong, you also talk about lance armstrong versus himself, and i wonder, he has this reputation, can he build himself back up, or has he threatened and intimidated so many people here that there's really no road to redemption for him? >> well, part of what i think is going to happen on oprah, i don't think that we're going to get a lance armstrong who is -- there's not going to be sobbing. he is going to try to justify much of what he did. i don't know what a partial confession is, but that's -- that's something that we'll just have to see here. but the nice thing about what is happening is that we can -- this is really the beginning in a sense, that now the story can start to accelerat